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There's been a flood of screaming, impatient newbies trying to apply to the VCL lately. I suspect 'I got a scanner for Christmas!' to be the main culprit. I found myself laughing out loud when I looked at the Yerf forum and saw the one who was kicking and screaming the loudest popping up in the general and critique forums there, with the exact same horrible scans.

But then I started thinking about it and got a little depressed. All these kids, looking for an outlet for their art... and then it hit me. I will start a NEW furry-art archive.

And the name of this archive will be '/dev/null'.

/dev/null will not have huge bandwidth requirements.

/dev/null will not have huge storage requirements.

/dev/null will not have any eligibility requirements.

You want in? You're in. But here's the catch. Unless the administrix (that would be ME) likes your art, it vanishes a week after you upload it. And if you try and upload the same drawing again, you're In Trouble. Maybe, just maybe, you'll be allowed to tag one drawing as safe from the grim reaper.

/dev/null is geek-speek for 'trashcan'.

Unfortunately, devnull.com and devnull.org are already taken. Maybe I could call it fridgeart.




Addendum: More evil things to do.

  • The ability for one artist to tag another as having stolen from her work. But beware - everyone can see who you think has swiped from you, and who thinks you swiped from them!

  • Hardcore image-recognition in the backend - it stores a rendering-down of everything you upload, and checks against all your art when you upload. And pulls it out of otherwise-inaccessible cold storage to say 'Hey! You already put this up!' if you try to re-upload something.

  • A forum with a whole section devoted to accusations of art theft - let the court of public opinion decide!

  • Favorites/very-not-favorites functionality for the recents viewer. With the top ten loved and top ten loathed artists spotlighted in a sidebar. I wouldn't make that data public in a sensible archive, but this is the evil archive! Plus, you can always see what percentage of viewers are loving and loathing your art, so you know if everyone's ignoring you.

  • Artists I have deemed Worth Keeping always sort before the commoners in the recents. And in the artist listings.

  • Every, oh, six months, you get the power to make another drawing safe from the Grim Reaper. And if I decide you still blow goats, I can revoke this, because it is the Evil Archive, and I am its Evil Dragon Queen. It'd probably work like trying to upload another userpic to LJ when you've gone from paid to unpaid. Or maybe it'd just start de-immortalizing images at random until you were down to the amount allowed.

Date: 2003-01-05 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tabriscoonz.livejournal.com
Do you really want to have all those emails saying "how could you delete my picture!! It's my best blah blah blah I hate you blah blah. Stop responding to my emails with "reread the rules of this archive" I've read the rules! blah blah blah whine whine I'm a victim whine."

Date: 2003-01-05 01:40 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (bleah)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
Well, if there's no admin e-mail address listed anywhere...

Date: 2003-01-05 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tabriscoonz.livejournal.com
HAHAHA

I see you've thought of everything. Excellent.

Date: 2003-01-05 02:19 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
/dev/null: administrative contact page

If you would like to join /dev/null, go here.

If you would like to resign from /dev/null, go here.

If you would like to complain about your drawings being deleted, fuck off!

Date: 2003-01-05 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nerfcoyote.livejournal.com
lookwhaticrappedout.com is available :)

Date: 2003-01-05 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ben-raccoon.livejournal.com
Now that's a great idea! Especially since it seems that many fridge-art people only post to have it visible on the recents page, and once that's gone, it's forgotten.

Date: 2003-01-05 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ursulav.livejournal.com
*laugh* Oh, good--I'm not the only one who noticed the cross-posting and put my head down on the keyboard and groaned. The horror is that these are the people who will now be convinced that the furry art community is a wretchedly unfriendly place.

Dang...looks like thecircularfile.com is also taken.

Date: 2003-01-05 02:54 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
*giggle* I sent Gryllus a private message via the Yerf board along the lines of 'HA HA SHE'S YOURS TO DEAL WITH NOW! *point* *laugh*'

I'm just really evil and bitchy these past few days...

Date: 2003-01-05 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ursulav.livejournal.com
Addendum: An art theft forum?! My god, woman! You've gone mad with power! MAD! MAD! Mad, I tell you! (That, or sheer genius. Perhaps the overwhelming banality of it all would burn people's art-theft-brain-centers out quicker.)

Date: 2003-01-05 03:18 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (evil)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
Drugz-R-Good
commoner
PotKitten is stealing my art!
PotKitten
commoner
No I'm not! Drugz is stealing mine! She's stealing from Smack W0lf, too!
Smack W0lf
commoner
She's right! Drugz-R-Good is a total art thief!
Drugz-R-Good
commoner
No I'm not! Smack-bitch is stealing from me, too!
Smack W0lf
commoner
Fuck you, Drugz!
Peganthyrus
High Administrix
You're all stealing from ZimBimBam. And he's just ripping off Jhonen Vazquez, anyway.

It does look like Drugz-R-Good is reposting some of Potkitten's work as his own; Drugz hasn't even always bothered to edit out the signature all the time. One month in the Penalty Box for you, my little coked-up friend.

Date: 2003-01-05 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tabriscoonz.livejournal.com
hehehe, it's funny cause it's true.

My favorite theft of 2002, one girl accused another of stealing her idea of rainbow fishnets and claimed that she copyrighted it. My response was "you're 14! you don't even know how to make the © symbol"

*J.Vasquez Icon intentional

Date: 2003-01-05 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adequatemagic.livejournal.com
By clicking "Apply", the applicant acknowledges the forfeiture of all rights to complain about apparent unfair, malicious, or capriciously insane behavior on the part of the administrator. You Knew That When You Signed Up, Bunky.

Date: 2003-01-05 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uhusted.livejournal.com
If you add a requirement for no poofy firclump beings I'll join and love you forever! Well, I'll love ya anyways, but there you go. ;)

Date: 2003-01-05 05:43 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (evil)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
Eh, I'd let people perpetrate furclump poofiness. Whether or not their work would get to persist is the pertinent question!

Actually, I'm thinking it might be a rather open archive: furry, wildlife, fantasy, sf, it's all okay. Maybe you can declare a work as being in a category when you put it up, and people can look at 'just furry' or whatever. As long as you're not doing copyright-violation fan art that could get the Administrix in trouble, you can upload whatever you please!

But it only stays if the Administrix (or anyone she nominates as Vice-Administrices) thinks you can actually, like, draw.

Date: 2003-01-05 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] protocat.livejournal.com
Peggy-dear, that is the best damn idea I've ever heard. Seriously. You know it needs to be done.

Date: 2003-01-05 05:59 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
The more I think about it, the more tempting it is.

I asked Ch'marr if he could lay his hands on any sort of breakdown of the VCL's bandwidth. If browsing the recents isn't the lion's share of the bandwidth, this thing might actually be possible. I mean, I don't want it to end up like Side 7 where they're paying the bandwidth for sooooo much suuuuuuck.

Date: 2003-01-05 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supersocks.livejournal.com
Is it that huskeefluffywhatever? I'll never forgive you for sending her my way. :D

Date: 2003-01-05 05:52 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
Yeah, it is. We didn't send her your way, honest; she found her own way to Yerf. I decided toe a nice person and warn you about her with that PM, but I got, um, kinda silly.

Date: 2003-01-05 08:15 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (bleah)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
still-available cool domain names that kinda fit this:

pixelspew.com
neutralgrey.com (thanks, splorp.com!)
queenpeggy.com (okay, kinda egotistical)
evildragonqueen.com (same)
arthorde.com
fridgeart.org
fridgedoor.org/net


unfortunately already taken:

arthole.com/org/net (thanks, protocat! "look at my arthole!")
arthoard.com
tempusfugit.com/org/net

suggestion...

Date: 2003-01-06 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandrill.livejournal.com
How about artbarf.com? >:) It IS available, I do believe!
(deleted comment)

Re: Parasite

Date: 2003-01-06 09:59 am (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
*sniff* And I thought you'd like the idea because it's an archive that very openly acknowledges that the whims of the administrator are final, and that the administrator is capricious and human.

This started as a little thought experiment on 'what happens if there's no back storage'. Since I've been in a vaguely evil mood lately, it turned evil. I make no apology for this.

I've checked, and it turns out that eliminating the availability of old art would, for the most part, have little to no impact on the total bandwidth usage of an archive - it's all in serving up the latest images. And people who feel that every single thing doodled during their math class are the ones who put forth the largest volume. So it wouldn't work.

gxddbov.com?

Date: 2003-01-06 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How are you going to store and run such a site? Furthermore, I reccomend doughie.com, for its flexible and cheap service.

Date: 2003-01-06 05:39 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
I'm probably not going to create it. See my reply above to a deleted comment; also note that I am an evil dragon who is often not serious. This entry, and many my replies to it, are an example of comedic exaggeration.

I was tempted to actually try and make it for a few hours yesterday, is all.

MeeeeEEEEEeemmoriiies...

Date: 2003-01-06 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pobig.livejournal.com
Gosh, maintaining a furry art archive has gotten so exciting since avatar went down. We never did find out who did some of the scribblier old stuff carried over from tezuka.

Re: MeeeeEEEEEeemmoriiies...

Date: 2003-01-06 09:45 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
*nod* The average contributing artist has gotten younger, and much less technically savvy.

Date: 2003-01-07 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paka.livejournal.com
I really like the idea of being up-front about it being an administrator opinion.

I don't have a working scanner, and I'm dreading the fact that when I do, as people-scanning-stuff goes, I'm not really such great shakes. Can you see any way around the phenomenon of "decent at making art, sucks Clydesdales at scanning art"?

Another problem I've seen on a favorite miniature site is people posting the same scans over and over as they're planning to sell the actual minis on e-Bay and want good coverage. It feels less like "hey, look what I did in Maf!" and more like a "hey, look what you can buy" thing - there's less joy, and less new stuff. The "repeat post" rule sounds like it diffuses this, but would you consider adding a clause about not mentioning anything about where the art in question might be for sale?

Date: 2003-01-07 01:02 pm (UTC)
ext_646: (Default)
From: [identity profile] shatterstripes.livejournal.com
The thinking behind my elaborations on the initial jokey proposal is to take everything that people usually try to hide or ignore about the way archive policies really work, and just make them gloriously up-front. And some of the ways 'the fandom' works behind the scenes, too.

Scanning's easy. Really. All you have to do for a decent scan is scan in grey then image->adjust->levels most of the time, and a little cleanup here and there. If you've got USB on your machine, you can get something fine for scanning pencils for eighty bucks nowadays.

More complex stuff can be done, like scanning in color so you can drop out col-erase from beneath inks without bothering to erase, but once you know what you want to do, that's easy too.


Of course, the Evil Archive wouldn't care about scan quality. If you want to present all your work as shitty scans, feel free! But just watch the number of people who're ignoring you grow and grow, and never know why!

Date: 2003-02-02 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
YOu could solve that never-knowing-why (if you felt like being utterly cruel) by making the "Like" and "Hate" buttons send messages to the target. If you had persistent logins like Yerf and Mame.dk, it could even say who is doing the liking or hating.

DumbYiffyVixen, you have the following messages:
Ultraken hates you!
Someone hates you!
MyScannerHatesMe likes you!
Peganthyrus hates you!
Someone likes you!
Ashtoreth hates you!
Someone hates you!
...

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