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[egypturnash]

I googled for "peganthyrus". Some of the more interesting results:

• A comment on someone's blog - link is down near the bottom. It appears to be people bitching about online multiplayer games; the link leads to some discussion on my LJ about virtual scarcity economies.
  
• My DeviantArt gallery is linked to on an Australian list of goth links.
  
• Someone being inspired by my 'Minimal Vixen'
  
• A log of a mix tape made for me
  
• Someone complaining on their LJ that I was MEEEAN when they posted something to the art_bitches community (please don't go flooding them with comments or anything, okay? it's old. I just think it's funny. I was a cruel bitch in my analysis, yes, but what do you expect when you post to "art bitches", candy kisses? also she sure never explained what she wanted critiqued.)
  
• Awww, thanks, Perlandria!
  
• A monster girl inspired by my monster girl stuff (filename is "Monster-Girl_Easter.gif" in case it moves any time soon)
  
• A Japanese custom 404 collection whose links all lead to the same site instead of the actual sites.
  

Nothing really weird or shocking. This time.

Comments

[milkpanzer.livejournal.com]

Ha! What a little whiny twit in that art_bitch related post! How many hundreds of dollars for a life drawing class!? Good lord, I can think of three local ones that cost $3-$8 per session. Unless she's living in Bumfucht, Iowa I can't imagine there's not *something* located nearby.

And I absolutely despise these 'furry artists' who think they can't learn from drawing human anatomy. Duh. I went 'round about this with so many people back in the Treehouse. Then I realized I really didn't care if these anonymous twits succeeded or not so I gave up. They don't really want help...they just want to be given the Magic Pencil they seem to think all 'good' artists have that imbibes them with instant talent.

Wow, dunno why I'm writing so bitchy tonight. I'm actually in a pretty good mood. :D

[prickvixen.livejournal.com]

Unless she's living in Bumfucht, Iowa I can't imagine there's not *something* located nearby.

Yeah, and even if she is, she can draw her brother when he comes in her room for a little sisterly knob-polishing after they get done shucking the corn and greasing up the cow's udders. Hoo-ee!

[hydra-velsen.livejournal.com]

I'm suprised it didn't pick up more than that. Google's web spiders are literally all over the web.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

There was more, this was just the interesting parts. I mean, it also found a large portion of my LJ entries and comments, and my pages on various web galleries, but that's kinda... obvious.

[neillparatzo.livejournal.com]

I always find it a little disconcerting when my name pops up on Japanese sites (and it does, often, from my emu-scene stuff), since I'm never really quite sure what they all say.

I really shouldn't be so self-conscious.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there was a reference to an old abandoned group project of mine on a German site, too. The description always puzzled me.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

"I guess it just bugs me when I see people being critiqued so harshly. Why? It just doesn't make any sense in the art world."

It doesn't? Which art world have I been in then? I thought honest critique's are a great way to quickly improve, it can come across as harsh yes, but in a community called "art bitches" it's to be expected.

I wonder where her happy fluffy flowerpower art world is located.

[doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com]

Fantasyland, of course...

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

And of course all her friends tell her that she's great, and I'm a blind butthead. (All she posted was the first tier of the page, by the way.)

Every year or so I forget the horrible, weeping reactions a really harsh critique will give to someone obviously a rank beginner, and respond to some crit request like that one. Then they run off crying and sobbing and hating me forever, and I roll my eyes and resolve never to give out critique unless it's a good friend on a similar level to me, who's explicitly asking me to not hold back.

[eselgeist.livejournal.com]

you are teh populahr ^_^

[perlandria.livejournal.com]

You are more than welcome I am fairly (?) sure.
I'd be very sure, but umm my link isn't working?

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Oops! Sorry, cut-and-paste mistake. I fixed it to point to the proper place.

[perlandria.livejournal.com]

Well, it is true!

[gealflings.livejournal.com]

He DOES look retarded. I see your point. Looks a bit, actually, like my dog looks when she's humping (yes, she) my friends dog. That glazed drooly look. ::nods::

[delcan.livejournal.com]

I thought that in a community called "art bitches", you would get... you know, unfriendly critiques. Like, from bitches. About art. Not the bitches, the critiques. Unless they're just bitches about art, and they're fine about everything else.

*ahem*

But still. Posting a "You're really mean!" message about something posted on "art bitches" is... well, extremely whiny and not too smart. But very funny.

OMG!

[dustmeat.livejournal.com]

You have DCD albums too! I started collecting those in 1990 before they were ever trendy. When I played them at work, my boss called it Ghost Music.

[tabriscoonz.livejournal.com]

haha, that furry guy did look retarded.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Bet she deletes this comment. Or makes the entire entry private.

Text preserved for my own bemusement...

Her post:
Wednesday, August 13th, 2003 11:28 pm
here it comes...

So I was thinking about going to bed after reading my email but now that I've checked WirePop I have to say something that it made me think of. What is the big thing with Scott McCloud? Everyone seems to think he is the big "thing". Like all aspiring comic artists (web and published) should listen to him when starting on a career in comics. I'd like to know why. Why should I give my time, money, and over all patience to a man that simply like everyone else...an artist trying to live his life doing art.

Once I was on the community art_bitches because I wanted some critique on the drawing aspect of a comic. I explained very calmly that the strip story itself wasn't what I wanted critiqued. I just wanted the shading to be critiqued. Instead I got told that they couldn't understand the story and that my male character looked like he was retarded (all said by peganthyrus. I told them that of course they couldn't understand the story but that wasn't what I wanted critiqued. Then I was told I didn't read the community guidelines very well and didn't belong. Now obviously Peganthyrus has forever rubbed me the wrong way and I will hate her till I feel the need not to. I didn't think she should be the one to talk considering I think most of her work looks exactly the same as everything else I've seen. If anyone else is a friend of that girl then I'm sorry I don't mean to insult you. But getting told your character looks retarded can really piss a person off. Then the only help they give is to look up Scott McCloud's work because it's the shit to them didn't help. I'd already seen that book and it hadn't impressed me. I don't like it when the artist blinds you with a bunch of buy drawings. It bores me and that is exactly why I wasn't too intrested in American comics. I wasn't into comics until I found Sailor Moon and Masion Ikkoku. American comics just seem to blind a person with color and busy pages until I just can't read them anymore. Japanese and Chinese comics don't. So needless to say if I had been able to one day find Scott McCloud's book again and look at and give it a second chance and seen something I liked...well it won't be happening now. Now all I'll see is that cruel girl who threw her frustrations on me and made me feel like crap about my work. It was my first and last post to art_bitches. Now I wasn't expecting extremly nice things from the community. I wasn't. But I still feel like I was critiqued on this insanely high level. A level the artist puts up and then when something isn't meeting that level they just hate everything they see. I had the same problem dealing with the Yerf people.

Yes it's nice to have people with pretty, well thought out peices. Stuff that would normally be considered rather good, but not everyone has attended classes with professionals molding them along the way. Some people just learn everything on thier own and with practice. Why should all artists be judged the same? My mother's an art teacher and she hasn't really sat down and taught me anything. When she graded her students she graded them by the amount of work shown in the art not if it was good enough to be in a museum or not. I think the only person to really tick me off in art_bitches was Peganthyrus. She was it. Everyone else was rather helpful. Although some of the suggestions were almost undo-able. Like "take a life drawing class" and "use a mirror". You may think..."why a mirror?" or "why a life drawing class?" Easy it's embarassing trying to draw and look into a mirror and try to get a anthro face right. I can't help it, I feel like an idiot. And the life drawing class thing? Well I don't have the money. It would cost a couple hundred to take the class, and I don't pay for my college courses.

Curious as to the original art_bitches post? go here...

Tommorrow a nice entry will be posted. I promise...no ranting.

Current Mood: bitchy

and my reply...

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Sunday, December 14th, 2003 11:37 am

(found via googling for my name: speak of the devil and she will appear!)

Wow, I must've been nastier than I thought if you felt like writing about how picky I was eight months later. It's only four months since this entry, I figure I can take a moment to defend myself a little.

I explained very calmly that the strip story itself wasn't what I wanted critiqued. I just wanted the shading to be critiqued

Nowhere in the entire discussion did you ever say anything like this, in the original post or your comments. You may have thought this to yourself, but you never said it.

The mission statement of the art_bitches community can be pretty much boiled down to "savage critique". The way I ripped into your single tier of panels is the same way I'd rip into my own work, or that of a friend who asked me for critique. You didn't say what you wanted notes on in particular, and I was feeling verbose, so I poked at everything. When you explained what you were trying to do in each panel, I told you what it was communicating to an impartial observer.

The 'dumbtarded' bit probably was going too far. Sorry about that. I may have been in a snarky mood that day.

considering I think most of her work looks exactly the same as everything else I've seen

*shrug* I like to think it's reasonably distinctive, but you're entitled to your own opinion.

In looking at your recent LJ entries it looks like you've been drawing, and have gotten better in the intervening year since that post. Good luck with that, if you choose to keep it up. Do it long enough and you might even find yourself on the other side of that art_bitches dialogue one grumpy-feeling morning...