archive politics, installment number uncounted

[egypturnash]

I put the full version of that bloody-butterfly picture up on Yerf. It just lost all its graphic impact when I cropped out the agonized, blood-gouting figures.

Let's see how long it takes for someone to grumble that it's graphic (violent) or graphic (abstract), and doesn't belong on Yerf. If it makes it all the way down the recents before then, I will be amused, and go nuke the cropped version. If not, I have no problems with the admins tossing it to make someone happy; everything involving that character is on the border between 'that's beautiful' and 'that's really nasty'.

Yes, I'm being deliberately naughty here. n.n

[ Also: Spümcø Day; Jim wants to do a few polishes on the animatic before a Nick pitch this Friday. On the way out I ran into Richard, then Vincent dropped by the studio to see what's up. Strange. ]

Comments

[draca-serpens.livejournal.com]

What do you shoot your storyboards with? Flipbook? Retas? AfterEffects?

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

FCPro.

Which is horribly slow on the machines SpümHø has; the shift to FCPro was decreed after John moved up to SpümCan, which had bought brand new machines for R&S purposes. What is cool on a 1ghz machine kinda sucks on a crotchety ol' 450mhz box...

there's been a gore grumble

[apoidea.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/community/anti_yerf/35286.html

I don't think its abstract enough that anti-yerfers would complain

Re: there's been a gore grumble

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Wooo! Four hours! Rockin'! n.n

[turbinerocks.livejournal.com]

That's such a great piece! Personally, I think it's abstract enough that it implies gore more than it actually has gore.

[tabriscoonz.livejournal.com]

I love you for fueling my favorite community this week. ^_^ "This has excessive gore... I think... um... huh..."

[supersocks.livejournal.com]

"Uh, actually, it's kinda abstract, so ..."
Someone actually emailed me this time! I'm so proud. *sniff*

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

I wanna seeee! I promise I won't pooost itttt! At least not publicly!

[supersocks.livejournal.com]

Nothing too exciting. But a decree has come from on high that the picture must be abolished. Sorry! I think the cropped one is still okay, though.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

I'll point to the cropped version when I get around to making some responses to the a_y post about it. No hard feelings on the deletion; I expected someone to Officially Complain this time! Half the reason I drew it in the first place was that a_y post I referred to in this entry.

I do hope this has generally caused more amusement in the Yerf admin folks who get to deal with the consequences than annoyance. The central figure in this image is just not a pleasant character, and generally causes queasiness and discord wherever she goes...

[supersocks.livejournal.com]

It got somebody to email me instead of just whining, so that's good! XD I still think it's a really neat piece, but I've got that bug bias. Do you have any more representational pictures of her?

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Not really. A couple unfinished scribbles. She's not really a part of myself I want to examine in precise detail, I think...

...oh, here's a quick silly parody picture. It's what I might theoretically use for a con badge if I was stupid enough to wear her identity iRL. Which I never would be; she's the worst parts of me with a veneer of twisted beauty to get people close enough to hurt!

Yes, that's her own severed forearm giving you the finger... I'm becoming a teenage girl again, I get to draw cutter characters. But since I'm a well-practiced cartoonist, I don't stop there! I caricature it three times over, and make it my own! (It also helps that the roleplay world Sosael lives in is one in which death is very not-permanant.)

[tabriscoonz.livejournal.com]

my favorite part was that hand in the front reaching upwards

[kiala.livejournal.com]

Should I put up an actual art host section to dreamchaos that allows anything as long as it's artistic in nature? ;>

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Heee! Nah. A little secret space for PB character art, maybe, for those who might not have space available... but I put this one on five other archives besides Yerf, none of which have the crew of forum-living censors snapping at their heels.

[defenbaugh.livejournal.com]

Why I never bothered with Yerf. Too many foot stomping people who just want to knee jerk something off a list. Art often is conroversial and loved or hated, but not displaying it based on one or two objections is well Censorship. Private list or not, the basis of American freedoms convieniently put on hold for the private dictator. I understand you were trying to stir things up, but really your times better spent posting it on your own homepage or someplace without restrictions.
Yerf! list from my looking at is, is just trying to weed their own brand of morality into art. Nice stuff sure ben when you start preventing the display of worthy piece based on objections of a few or even a panel of judges your denying those who might APPROVE of it equally.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Well, I did also post it to VCL, dA, Epilogue, and Illustratorworld. It stayed on all of them.

I'm too damn lazy to keep up my own page any more.

[kensan-oni.livejournal.com]

Okay, I admit it. I'm a deer. First instinct is to not be seen...

However, in saying that, why do you and others go out of your way to provoke a reaction from such orginizations? I mean, sure, it's easy to do. I am not sure that causing people to focus on this particular issue is going to be a postive thing, though.

While I have found none of anyones pics very bloody (I daydream worse things), all this is going to do is give these people exactly what they want. THings to shout about, and getting more images pulled off. I am not sure if I'd want that. I personally would like to see Yerf loosen up a little without completely going R+ rated.

All I am trying to do really is to understand why people poke at new wounds, I suppose. I think the effect of two guys kissing, and making them obviously guys (Beards, fatness, stuff like that) would have caused a even greater stir then any of this blood... considering these prudes. Why are you even bothering when it's so easy?

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Usually I don't. I just find the people in anti_yerf to be so passive-aggressive and sanctimonious in their ranting and flaming that when I look, I can't resist picking up a stick to poke at the monkeys hooting in their cage.

Mostly? It's a damn nice picture, I think, and cropping it to make it Yerf-safe ruined it. Nobody shouted about Sosael covered in her own blood for a few days (it got the usual thunderous silence there my uploads get for several days), so I figured maybe it was abstract enough to slip through, or at least would be amusing to watch people flail at. Which it was.

XD

[supersocks.livejournal.com]

Prudes? Homophobic? Have you ever actually talked to or interacted with any of us? XD

Re: XD

[kensan-oni.livejournal.com]

No.. but people getting uppity about things just tends to remind me of Mundanes. Mundanes typically are Hetro Conservitave Christians. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It just is amusing to see their reactions to simple innocent things. :')

[terzy.livejournal.com]

We want yerf to be a place that a kid could go browse through, withut seeing anything that his parents would object to. And that's fine with me, that is how Dingo wants it, that is how Dingo gets it.

Two men kissing is an expression of love, and OF COURSE would not be pulled! This isn't a christian group, for god's sake! Just a family-friendly one. I mean, a while back, there was this whole wave of lesbian-themed images coming down the pike . . . and they were all beautiful, some of them really ""cute" you know what I mean? Tender and all that stuff.

I am not a prude. I like nudity, I don't mind gore at all. I look at porn, for chrissakes, I am NOT a prude. But, in the interests of keeping yerf a family-friendly site, I am willing to see bloody or naked art . . . even if it IS beautiful, like peggy's picture here . . . taken down. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.

[kensan-oni.livejournal.com]

Never said I didn't like it. Notice that I was just objecting to being reactionary to this problem. I mean, if it's your side or the side Peggy belongs on, doesn't matter to me. It's getting carried away in outrage over things and reacting over and over to it that is the thing.

Cause considering we have people shooting others on Live TV, more bleeps per second on daytime TV then ever before, the media trying to blow everything it see's out of perportion, and... oh yes, the propoganda and drills on what to do in case of a NBC attack, I think almost anything I see on a art board to be pretty minor, and a lot less dangerous to their minds then what is getting stuffed down their heads right now.

The Gay example can be demonstrated as getting a sever reaction, as a point to www.furries.com can show. (At least, I think that was the site)

To be final about this, I just think that both sides are being silly and reactionary. I still perfer more open archive sites, but I don't mind looking at Yerf. Considering I still hear kids are blowing up dolls with fire crackers, I am not sure what kind of violence we really are looking to protect children from.

[defenbaugh.livejournal.com]

And its still censorship no matter how you rationalize it. :)

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Yeah. So? It's still less hassle than maintaining my own site, and getting people to look at it on the rare occasions I draw shit.

[prickvixen.livejournal.com]

"What's going on? I don't understand! You mean I'm supposed to take in oxygen on my own? How do I make my bowels work? Durrrrr" *explode*