tired snark

[egypturnash]

I happened upon yet another round of gay marriage debate in someone's LJ. Yet another round of someone insisting that nobody but one man and one woman should be allowed to marry. For religious reasons, mostly.

And, of course, the reasons pulled out to try to justify it more than "because this is what God says is marriage" are (a) tradition and (b) breeding.

Okay.

Let's all defend marriage for real, then. Let's defend what marriage is all about - tradition, and the kids. And being a Man and a Woman.

Queers can't marry. Obviously. It's not Adam and Steve, and nor was it Sally and Eve. Man, and Woman. Neither can infertile people. If you haven't popped a baby out within a year of getting married, that's it. It's over. Sorry. Go marry someone who can help you make another mouth to feed. Or just live in sin with someone like those godless faggots, or be lonely. (I, of course, can never marry, because I no longer have genitals that serve any function beyond pleasure. I'll never be able to spawn. Most people who're on the 'gay marriage = bad' side will probably refuse to let me claim either gender, anyway - marriage is the Holy Union of a Man and a Woman, and I'm a Hideous, Neutered Thing.)

Once you're old, and your bits stop being able to produce gametes, that's it. No more marriage for you. Life partner? Come on, that doesn't work for justifying those queer marriages, why do the straights get to use it? Fair's fair. It's for the kids. It's all about breeding, isn't it?

In fact, you should probably be forced to annul your marriage if you're not spawning kids regularly. Every year or three. Gotta prove that you're fertile, you know. Or it's not a real marriage.

Because it's not about love, not in this modern world, it's not about wanting to spend a significant part of your life with someone and support each other, it's not even about combining earning power... it's about the way it's always been done, and about having kids, right?

Also, as long as you're fertile, you can't get divorced. Right? I mean, you've got to provide an environment with a male and female role model for the spawn. All the people against gay marriage say this.

I, for one, am willing to never get married, if all the people who say that me or some of my friends getting married is just plain Wrong treat marriage with the proper sancrity and respect of its true purpose. Which they tend to define as "popping out the kids".

Because otherwise, it's just a stone's throw away from getting married to a pack of dogs, isn't it? I mean, it couldn't be about imposing your religion on people who don't believe in it, could it? It's for the children. And nobody wants to see kids being raised by two men, a woman, an MtF giraffe, and a television. Right?

Comments

[mercurypale.livejournal.com]

well said (as usual).

[draca-serpens.livejournal.com]

*Nods furiously* I agree. Completely. Totally.

[kiala.livejournal.com]

<#3

[kinkyturtle.livejournal.com]

"And nobody wants to see kids being raised by two men, a woman, an MtF giraffe, and a television. Right?"

I do! I think that'd make a great sitcom premise.

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Cut it down to one man, one woman, and a television, and it's a good description of a lot of America.

Unfortunately.

[ghostangel.livejournal.com]

I wish I was raised by an MtF Giraffe XD sounds like fun!

[eselgeist.livejournal.com]

"for the kids" is a lame, thin, smokescreen.

there's so much actual shit wrong with the planet, stuff that does nothing but kill children daily and doom the rest to horrible misery that getting up in arms about any group of people willing to forge a loving, committed home (with children or not) is ridiculous.

[turbinerocks.livejournal.com]

FOR GODS SAKE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

"Think of the Children" is perhaps the best fear crutch ever devised. It works like a charm on people with weak minds, it's practically a Jedi Mind Trick.

[radd.livejournal.com]

These are not the Civil Rights you're looking for. We can go about our business. Move along.

I've always thought Religion and breeding were incredibly weak reasons for disallowing gay marriage. Breeding for the very reasons Peggy brings up. Religion because, well, where do we draw the line? Only Christians are allowed to marry? How about only Roman Catholics? How about we cut it down to only the good, honest Roman Catholics that never masturbated and went to Church every Sunday? Of course, they have to be able to prove it.

Besides, it is my understanding that the current debate over gays being allowed to marry has little to do with religion, it has to do with the government. Religion and government are supposed to be seperate, right? If you want to base civil rights on J-random religion, when do we start telling women they can't own property anymore? When do we start disallowing Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, Mingists, Discordians, everyone except Minister O'Reedy and his Sunday Action Jesus group from being citizens and kick everyone else out of our beautiful nation with a mighty yell of "GOD BLESS AMERICA!"?

[ursulav.livejournal.com]

And no birth control for married people! You gotta provide proof that you're single!

[neillparatzo.livejournal.com]

The dinosaurs are older than us and we'll outlive them.

[radd.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced it is just the dinosaurs. Remember, they have dedicated brainwashing camps made specifically to erase the minds of the young and fill their heads with their approved ways of thinking.

[neillparatzo.livejournal.com]

It won't be enough.

[doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com]

I forget who said this first: Everytime a pol/religious nut/PTA nanny says "It's for the children," you quickly find out they want us all to be children.

[slinky-treecat.livejournal.com]

Because otherwise, it's just a stone's throw away from getting married to a pack of dogs, isn't it?
Damn.. you've seen through my evil plot. ^_^

[trianine.livejournal.com]

If these people were interested in a logical debate, I'd say, "hell yea!" Unfortunately, I think we have to get through to them with other means...

[ghostangel.livejournal.com]

You wouldn't be a part of the Childfree community would you? XD This sounds like it would fit right in :x

[shatterstripes.livejournal.com]

Not officially. but kids are something i've never been interested in. I didn't save any sperm, so I'm not going to have the option of becoming a father any time soon - and that really doesn't bug me in the least.

[ghostangel.livejournal.com]

We are a little harsh over there anyways~ its best that you don't get involved with our insanity :X

[verdanawiltleaf.livejournal.com]

you know - you hit it on the head your really did - there are people who think that way.

My first husband was like that - when I said I didn't want to have kids with him (cuz he was an asshole) he told me to get a divorce (which I did)

Now the husband I have now, I have never even slept with - and we've been married 8 years. course I suppose that marriage could be legally annulled, but I won't get a divorce because our daughter (from before we got married) loves both her mommy and daddy, wants them to live together - and he and I do get along -just more as friends.

I'm actually homosexual. (long story)

anyways. - Love your post.